For those that have been waiting to hear the dreaded honor point costs of gear ever since Zuggy first talked about it, I logged on the beta realms today to get the scoop.
There are two different sets of honor gear in Wrath of the Lich King for level 80′s to try out.Â The first set is called the Hateful Gladiator set and that will include pieces that have no arena rating requirement and are accessible to all players who saved up some points as soon as they hit level 80.
- Hateful Gladiator Belt - 49600 Honor
- Hateful Gladiator Bracer – 31600 Honor
- Hateful Gladiator Boots - 49600 Honor
- Hateful Gladiator Neck – 38000 Honor
- Hateful Gladiator Cloak – 38000 Honor
- Hateful Gladiator Ring – 38000 Honor
- Medallion of the Horde - 49600 Honor (This has 84 Resiliance)
For the more experienced Gladiator, you can buy Deadly Gladiator gear with the following amount of honor and credentials:
- Deadly Gladiator Belt – 62000 Honor and 1630 Personal Rating
- Deadly Gladiator Bracer - 39400 Honor and 1660 Personal Rating
- Deadly Gladiator Boots - 62000 Honor and 1720 Personal Rating
- Deadly Gladiator Neck – 47400 Honor and 1600 Personal Rating
- Deadly Gladiator Cloak - 47400 Honor and 1750 Personal Rating
- Deadly Gladiator Ring – 47400 Honor and 1690 Personal Rating
- Battlemaster’s Trinket – 62000 Honor and 1800 Personal Rating
There’s been loads of changes in the past few days for WotLK, specifically related to PvP. Take a look at a few of the most recent blue posts and updates regarding pvp in the last 48 hours.
WotLK PvP Recap from Zug Gaming
- Berserker Rage Change
- Season 4 End Date
- Arena Match Making System Change
- Build 9014 Class Changes
- Honor Points will NOT Reset for WOTLK
- New Honor Items for Patch 3.0.2
PvP Developer Q & A
Why is it so hard to measure skill in a battleground and have rated BGs ?
I wish it were that simple. However, for a rating system to reasonably zero in on the skill of a single player in a game with teammates it takes a number of games approximately equal to ten times the number of players participating on that player’s team.
So for example, for a rating system to have all the information it needs to know to figure out how “good” of a battleground player you are in Alterac Valley, it needs to take about 400 games to do it (10 times the number of players on your team). Unfortunately, that’s without the additional complexities of being able to queue solo versus queueing as a group, etc.
It would be kind of annoying to have to play about 400 games of AV before the system could decide what items you’re eligible for. So, there are some complexities in creating a system to work around that problem (among others).
Archavon changes (Lake Wintergrasp Boss)
We don’t plan to change Archavon, as he needs to have compelling loot that isn’t something you can’t possibly get another way. However, I think it’s important to note that Archavon does not drop the helm or shoulder slots (or weapons), which are the hardest to obtain both in pve and pvp.
Why is PvP gear available for purchase for PvE tokens with no rating requirement ?
To put it simply, you can’t endlessly wipe on raid bosses and get these tokens. At some point, you have to succeed. Even then, the pvp gear you get from these tokens is 1 tier behind their pve value (ie: the ilevel 213 pve tokens from Nax 25 only get you “Hateful Gladiator” gear which is ilevel 200). It’s not possible to get the “best” pvp set items through pve.
Are there any plans of allowing us to attain PvE gear through honor/arena points?
For the most part (lack of tanking gear aside), if you have the highest-end pvp gear, you can do fairly well in a “tier behind” raid (ie: 10-man nax). So, for the most part that dynamic already exists.
WotLK Battlegrounds Changes
No Honor Points Increases for WotLK
Battlegrounds wins/losses and honorable kills will not award experience after the next patch, nor upon the release of Wrath of the Lich King. It could always happen somewhere down the road as we work to improve PvP progression, but there are no plans for changing this in the immediate future.
Battlegrounds Discussion with Tigole
Actually, we have been discussing new battlegrounds quite a bit lately. Wrath of the Lich King will feature Strand of the Ancients (attack/defend) as well as Wintergrasp (non-instanced, world PvP).
But past that, we are exploring ideas that would involve expanding our Battleground content in future patches and beyond. We believe we have some strong ideas for improving Battlegrounds and PvP as a whole in the game and we’re definitely going to focus on improvements in the future. Now, it’s very early to be talking about some of this stuff but I think it’s important for the community to know that it’s on our minds.
Our general thought is that we could provide more BG content over time. The BG content that we could provide could be of higher quality with a higher degree of accessibility. Overall, we’d like to have more content and variety. We also want the gameplay experience in the BGs to be better directed. We’re also exploring the concept of a complimentary “competitive” bg system as well. Over time, we’d like the focus of PvP to shift back to being more BG-centric and more focused on Horde versus Alliance — the core of our game.
We’re also planning on improving some Battleground and PvP features in general. For example, we want to give you the ability to queue for Battlegrounds from anywhere in the world. We’re also going to explore EXP gain through the PvP system as well as low level itemization to support that.
Please don’t take this post as a promise. This won’t be an overnight process. Not all of these things are set in stone and guaranteed to happen. It would take us a while to shift in this direction. But these are some of the current thoughts on the development team. I think it’s important for you guys to know some of our thought process in regards to PvP.
Well, pretty big day today with loads of changes across the forums, beta, and here at Zug Gaming. To make sure you didn’t miss anything I thought this occassion calls for my first WotLK wrap up post.
Title pretty much sums this one up. Blizzard reversed their earlier decesion to reset honor / honor marks prior to expansion. Honor points will not be reset prior to the expansion.
New / revised glyphs for all classes.
Nothing major here, most of the changes are pretty minor and focus more on balancing. Never the less, some interested and positive adjustments to every class.
Season 4 will end October 14th, 2008, additional information regarding details and patch 3.0.2 speculation.
Berserker rage change may be used in any stance now, confirmed by blue.
Gold tip #6 from yours truly, check out the tutorial video regarding jewelcrafting, prospecting, and the auction house.
Wow…simply wow, I cannot believe what I’m reading. Bornakk shocked everyone with this…
We had hoped that the introduction of some new Honor rewards in the upcoming patch would give players a great opportunity to spend any of their remaining Honor. However, many players would still be surprised by an Honor and token reset as it isn’t something we’ve done in the past. As such, we’ve decided to not reset Honor or tokens upon the release of Wrath of the Lich King. Players who save their Honor will be able to spend it on level 80 rewards, although those rewards will be significantly more expensive than their level 70 counterparts.
This is just seems insane to me, especially after Blizzard already officially announced the honor points and tokens WOULD reset, citing several valid reasons for this change. I agreed with much of their reasoning and really do not understand why they would choose to pull a complete 180 and decide to now not reset.
Especially considering many players have already gone out and purchased other honor items they might not have upon the early announcement that points were resetting. Major /fail for Blizzard on this one.
The title pretty much sums this up, and everyone’s suspicions were officially confirmed by a blue poster earlier today. All accumulated honor points will be reset to zero when the wrath of the lich king expansion is released. No word yet if marks of honor will also be removed.
Additionally, in case you missed it arena points will also be reset to zero at level 71. Arena points to reset.
As many of you know we will be featuring a new Battleground, a dedicated world PvP zone and all new PvP items in Wrath of the Lich King. In order to make the transition from The Burning Crusade to Wrath of the Lich King flow as smoothly as possible, all accrued honor points will be reset at the launch of the expansion. We do this to ensure select players do not have an unfair advantage at level 80 from stockpiling honor to instantly purchase the newest Wrath of the Lich King PvP rewards. For those with unspent honor points prior to the release of the expansion, we will be offering a few upgrades and special rewards in next content patch solely for purchase via the honor system.(source)
Quick update for marks of honor, which are also going to be reset.
Marks of Honor will be wiped as well. (source)
This post is in response to a question I received regarding season 4 arena gear. It has been posted here to assist other players who may have similar questions in the future.
Arena Gear Question…
When the season 4 gear bcomes available will there be new replacements for the vindicator belt, boots, bracers and neck? With alot of honor points stored up, I wouldn’t want to waste them on vindicator.
Arena Gear Answer…
When season 4 comes out all the current honor gear will be replaced with the new season’s item, I believe the new sets are called “Brutal Gladiator’s…”.
I wouldn’t worry too much about honor points, with as easy as honor is to farm now without diminishing returns and season 4 still probably 6-8 weeks out, we got some time.